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Posted: 14 December 2011 10:40 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]  
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My version is that both UK and France were cowardly and waited for god knows what, which allowed Germany to deal with countries one after another. France got a beating, the Brits hid on their precious island and waited for better times to come.

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Posted: 14 December 2011 11:11 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]  
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Britain stood alone in 1939. The Polish put up a good fight against the Russians and then the Germans, but Britain stood it’s ground. Other countries (ie. Australians, New Zealanders, Canadians and finally the USA etc) came later. I wouldn’t suggest that Britain won the war on it’s own, neither did I suggest it, but when the German army was blitzkrieging it’s way across Europe there was one country that said “Fuck you”.

To be honest, some troops from the Empire were in it for the money. Being in the forces was a steady and, by their standards, a well paid job. Not without it’s dangers but exciting for a young man to be involved in and better than living in grinding poverty with no prospects “back home”.

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Posted: 15 December 2011 12:20 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]  
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Well said Whackaday. Though many thought Churchill was a war monger, Funny how things change but people’s perceptions of politicians can stay the same.
Brits stood alone in the dark, until other countries realised what may happen to them or what was in it for them.
That does not take anything away from any life given or service given to fight against tyranny. Politics Mad Eh?

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Posted: 15 December 2011 01:25 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]  
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NZ declared war on Germany on the same day as Britain did. The soldiers did not come fight due to poverty but to defend Britain and to fight fascism . i admit we weren’t fighting on the front from day 1 but that was only because we had to travel half way around the world to get there

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Posted: 16 December 2011 01:32 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]  
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True, Im not sayong that anyone who fought in the war was not worthey of recognition but… would NZ have fought along side the brits if they were not part of the commonwelth. who knows! all I am saying is that the war was mainly fought in the first instant in europe. and there were dark days ahead. All the allies are listed below but you will find in any history book the main four Allied nations were: UK, US, USSR and the French (believe it or not) Any Man, Woman or Child that gives their life in the name of freedom should be held in the highest esteem.  Sorry Im a bit of a history dick head.

Australia
Belgium
Bolivia
Brazil
Canada
China
Denmark
Greece
Mexico
Netherlands
New Zealand
Norway
Poland
South Africa
Yugoslavia

Here is a taster: The involvement of many of the Allies in World War II was natural and inevitable—they were invaded or under the direct threat of invasion by the Axis.

When Hitler announced that Germany would “liberate” the ethnic Germans in Czechoslovakia, England and France recognized the growing danger of a second world war caused by German expansionism. England and France were politically unprepared for war, however, and appeased Hitler with the Munich Pact—effectively compelling Czechoslovakia to cede its frontier districts to Germany.

In March 1939, Hitler seized the rest of Czechoslovakia and began to move on Poland. Britain and France guaranteed the integrity of Poland, but Germany and the Soviet Union signed a secret pact in August 1939. With the pact, Stalin bought time to build up his strength at the expense of Britain and France, and Hitler gained a free hand to deal with Poland. When Hitler’s army invaded Poland on September 1, 1939, World War II began.

While German forces overran western Poland, Soviet troops entered from the east to claim their portion of that country. France and Britain declared war on Germany and mobilized their forces.

In 1940, German forces invaded Norway and Denmark in April; the Netherlands, Belgium, and Luxembourg in May; and the borders of France later that same month.

Meanwhile, the United States remained largely isolationist. They viewed the war as a European conflict. After World War I, Americans had little stomach for sending their boys overseas to die.

Congress passed the Neutrality Act of 1937, making it unlawful for the United States to trade with belligerents. But President Roosevelt was strongly in favor of getting the U.S. into the European war and pressed for involvement overseas. He soon convinced Congress to amend the Neutrality Act to permit munitions sales to the French and British. On March 11, 1941, Congress passed the Lend-Lease Act, which gave the President authority to sell, transfer, or lease war goods to the government of any country. This spelled the virtual end of American neutrality.

However, the American people were still against sending their soldiers to fight in a foreign war. The Japanese Empire took care of this by bombing the American naval base at Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, on December 7, 1941.

On December 8, 1941 Congress voted that a state of war existed between the United States and Japan. On December 11, 1941, Germany and Italy declared war on the United States. Congress then immediately recognized the existence of a state of war with Germany and Italy, and also rescinded an article of the Selective Service Act prohibiting the use of American armed forces beyond the Western Hemisphere.

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Posted: 16 December 2011 01:39 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]  
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The strange thing I found out is although the Irish stayed out of the war, they largely wanted the Germans to win as it would give them a greater political advantage. But in actual fact Germany probably would have sucker punched them. Thank god for the allies Ireland!

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